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to you? we talked about it briefly the other day with you. >> it's where to be in energy. you know, natural gas -- one of the things about natural gas which i love is that everybody kind of -- you see them come on your show and elsewhere on cnbc and they talk about this great boom that's going on in shale drilling. and i'm on the other side at this point and this is a tremendous bust in shale drilling that's going on because the price will not allow the innovations to move forward at this point. there's no demand source that's coming back into the market. >> a little better. >> there's no transport demand session coming back. >> it's better than 180. it's not what's needed for a real excitement about the fuel which is $5, $6, $7. >> so should we have a national policy to try to use more of this national gas and pump prices up and get people to do that instead of focusing on solar and hoping we'll have sun? >> yeah. by the way, i think that we should be doing both. that's really -- i think we should be doing both. but in terms of natural gas in 2012, there's been failure after failu
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